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Author Topic: Jay's Racing Alternator relocator kit  (Read 2022 times)
daniel Dee
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« on: October 26, 2008, 08:50:36 AM »



Jay's racing sent me a new bracket ..
It broke while I was on the road....Lowell manage to weld it up (aluminum)..
The repair cost more than the kit...
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 09:06:59 PM »

Looks familiar, mine cracked in half in the exact same place leaving me with a nice fat tow bill. They did replace it for free though.  This kit isnt well designed, that bracket should be made of steel, the aluminum is to brittle. Also the tensioner has loosened a couple of times causing the belt to squel like crazy. I think im going to put it back to the original location.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2008, 10:38:15 PM »

Thats not good Sad
Never heard of this happening before with this particular kit
Any idea what caused this Huh

I'm in the process of relocation but i had to send my lower bracket back to Jay for some modifications because my carrier bearing wouldnt match the holes on the bracket. Hopefully it's here next week so i can finish the swap and see how it goes.

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 05:14:36 PM »

Hmm, just got mine 2 months ago and have it installed, it does seem very tight (belt length wise) but we'll have to see when it starts running.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 08:09:45 PM »

That piece looks cheapo.. Does this kit just bring the alt up higher in the eng bay
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 08:40:50 PM »

yawnnnn....


I hate those shops that just think they can fab up parts like that with no engineering experaince and fuck people over like that.

I myself am well through (but not done) a degree in Mechanical Engineering and I can tell you stress analysis on that piece wouldbe so easy and take no longer then 6 hours to figure out what material to make it out of or what dimesion are required if you want aluminum so that it lasts the life of the car if not longer and make it the most cost effective.

I honeslty hate performance shops like that. Fuck pay a contract engineer to check your shit and then you can feel good about it.

You know how much they would get sued for if that breakage cause loss of life or something and they found out an engineer didint check that piece. Jesus!
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 09:31:17 PM »

That piece looks cheapo.. Does this kit just bring the alt up higher in the eng bay
The kit puts the alternator where the a/c compressor used to go. I also had to use a longer belt because im running a fluidampr which is bigger
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 11:02:29 PM »

That piece looks cheapo.. Does this kit just bring the alt up higher in the eng bay

ha  this kit actually looks top quality!!
You didnt see other kits like bushur for example. They do look ghetto



I'm doing a GM alternator swap so relocation is pretty much the only option
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 01:15:26 AM »

That piece looks cheapo.. Does this kit just bring the alt up higher in the eng bay
The kit puts the alternator where the a/c compressor used to go. I also had to use a longer belt because im running a fluidampr which is bigger

I'm running a fluidampr as well and i used the stock belt. Was really tight though... really really tight to get on :\
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 01:36:09 AM »

They claim no new Alternator bracket has broken since the revision...
Lowell says it broke cause it has no radius in a critical section of the bracket.

My engine has no balance shafts which contribute to it's demise.
Every aspect of the install should be checked for proper alignment and install..
Only time will tell,,,,my alternator now produces 14 to 14.5 volts now ...
Formerly at its stock location the volts would drop to 12.5-13 volts after warm up..
So I think its worth doing..
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2008, 07:42:00 PM »

what so you are thinking that where you put the alternator makes a difference in voltage..... Huh

Like you seriously think that.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2008, 08:18:40 PM »

yea that does not make sense....the ONLY shot at that being plausible is that it is probably cooler in the back lower engine bay where the ac compressor is...and if the alternator was cooler being farther away from the rad, fans, exhaust mani and downpipe etc, MAYBE if it was cooler it would be more efficient and capable of producing an extra volt or volt and a half.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2008, 08:36:23 PM »

what so you are thinking that where you put the alternator makes a difference in voltage..... Huh

Like you seriously think that.  Roll Eyes

Regardless of whether it make more power there or not, it will last longer and therefore produce more power over time Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2008, 08:39:09 PM »

our cars have a well documented fault on alternators.  Some guys have to replace them 2 times a year or even more.  Others less, but still way more than needed.

Now, that said, almost all of these victims that I have seen(and I have been quietly compiling data on this subject)have no heat shields, and especially no lower one.  

Your O2 sensor housing and downpipe are VERY hot.  Its within 2-3 inches of your alternator.

So, with it moved a marginal one that was slowly dyeing from heat would now have an eaiser time of it.

PS, Dan has done alot of work on his car and knows more about this sort of thing than you might think, so please try to show a bit of respect, especially if you yourself don't know that much.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2008, 08:41:34 PM »

our cars have a well documented fault on alternators.  Some guys have to replace them 2 times a year or even more.  Others less, but still way more than needed.

Now, that said, almost all of these victims that I have seen(and I have been quietly compiling data on this subject)have no heat shields, and especially no lower one.  

Your O2 sensor housing and downpipe are VERY hot.  Its within 2-3 inches of your alternator.

So, with it moved a marginal one that was slowly dyeing from heat would now have an eaiser time of it.

PS, Dan has done alot of work on his car and knows more about this sort of thing than you might think, so please try to show a bit of respect, especially if you yourself don't know that much.

I wasnt being disrespectful, I was tryin to wrap my head around how that could work...looks like my theory was correct then:D
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