what really does DSMlink offer over a safc?

[kevin derhouson]

trying to decide which route i want to take, safc s seem far more available used and cheaper, i won't have to worry about finding a socketed ecu.

not interested in stutterbox/no lift to shift etc, and with larger injectors i can work around fuel cut with a safc (which i believe dsm link would eliminate).

[Shane Sawatzki]

-DSMlink offers the world over the safc   but unless you have alot of mods DSMlink isnt really needed or worth it, there are cheaper alternatives that are still better then an SAFC.

-I assume you have a socketed ECU since you "wouldnt have to worry about finding one..." , if thats the case either get a chip burnt to whatever your mods are or I was always a fan of speed density.

-your car is a 97... cant it be tuned with evoscan? Im unsure about this..
 
what do you have for mods to the car?

[Zach Holt]

It's just a simpler program/set up to tune with. If your going to tune personal I would go with dsmap or aem ems. I'm sure others that have used both can be more detailed. Just my thoughts.

[kevin derhouson]

sorry shane, i worded that badly, i meant with an safc i wouldn't have to worry about finding a socketed ecu (or even just buying another ecu to send to get socketed)


 engine mods on the car are e3 16g, greddy fmic, wally 255, ported e3 o2 housing, 3" exhaust cat elim, act 2600, findaza flywheel, for monitoring i'm using an egt, and aem wideband.. boost control is a greddy profec b spec 2


waiting to go in with whatever tuning approach i take:

650cc injectors
bc 272 cams
aem meth progressive kit
findaza cam gears


pretty simple build, thats really the extent of it... though in the future i may swap to a FP 68HTA

[Dennis Johnston]

Might I suggest you look at an ECU+? can be had for 400, intercepts the ecu on the car and you are plug n play with a laptop. I'm familiar with dsmlink but I like to interface / debug / tune on the fly. Besides, I look at the $250 difference between that and safc and from the fact the the ecu+ has an external switch you can use to switch profiles, you can make back the money in gas by running in 'economy mode' and flipping the switch to fun mode when you get on the hiway for a few months  

[Marke Bailey]

It's just a simpler program/set up to tune with. If your going to tune personal I would go with dsmap or aem ems. I'm sure others that have used both can be more detailed. Just my thoughts.

DSMap is not available for 2g cars.

[John Hartman]

The Link is lightyears ahead of an SAFC.  Its a full on tuning program.

Its like asking what Multiport FI has over a carb.  Both get gas in there and make the car move, but obviously one does a better job of it.

[Remi Raymond]

No but 2g cars can now use evo 8 ecus and have access to the much more amazing modern software they  can use. Hell I would bet RG can even reflash them.
It's very easy to swap. In fact, the options now available for them make me personally seriously consider a 2g as my next project, just to play with the evo ecu and see what it's like.

[kevin derhouson]

The Link is lightyears ahead of an SAFC.  Its a full on tuning program.

Its like asking what Multiport FI has over a carb.  Both get gas in there and make the car move, but obviously one does a better job of it.

British Columbia DSM >  GVRD - BC DSM Club > Newbie Corner > what really does DSMlink offer over a safc? :p




does it obviously? one re-maps one alters ecu output, link allows different air measuring systems to be used etc (obviously room for future expansion as well), so was wondering if i would be missing out on something if i did a simple tune with a safc because getting the parts for the link or even the link itself seems a little troublesome =\

[Paul Pigar]

also dsmlink can read dtc codes and u can pretty much monitor all the sensors.

[kevin derhouson]

screw it, do it once do it right... going to order a socketed eprom and ecmlink3

[Shane Sawatzki]

"-your car is a 97... cant it be tuned with evoscan? Im unsure about this.."

anyone know about that option?? i know nothing about evoscan but i have HEARD 2gb's being able to be tuned using that 

[Dan Harshey]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, i've never used dsmlink but i'm pretty sure one of the biggest things is that it gives you individual control over ignition timing and fuel maps throughout the rpm range.  An SAFC however doesn't allow this, it intercepts the air flow signal to the ecu, tricking the ecu into adding or removing fuel depending on how you have it set at a certain rpm.  The problem with this, is that altering the airflow with the SAFC also changes the ignition timing advance. 
You made the right choice by going DSMLink, i'm using an SAFC and eprom chip and haven't had much success with it so far.

[kevin derhouson]

"-your car is a 97... cant it be tuned with evoscan? Im unsure about this.."

anyone know about that option?? i know nothing about evoscan but i have HEARD 2gb's being able to be tuned using that  

"Yeah you can run a 2G with an EVO ECU. The pinouts are a bit different, so you have to swap a few wires around, but it isn't that hard. The main problem is that the EVO ECU will be upset by the lack of smog stuff on the 2G and you will always have a check engine light on, but it will run fine with proper tuning."

discussion on evoscan and 2g dsm.
http://forums.openecu.org/viewtopic.php?t=777


as for running ecmlink myself, i'm a huge techie nerd and i love apps like these.. (though i'll likely still pay lowell or brett a visit) going ecm link for future upgrades and flexibility sold me on it.

[kevin derhouson]

"EcuFlash works for Mitsubishi Evo 7/8/9

EvoScan Datalogger works on 1996+ Mitsubishi's
http://forums.openecu.org/viewtopic.php?t=709"

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