Yet another improvment at the track for the Ugly Purple 4g63 Colt, MINI VAN..omg

[John Hartman]

yes there are TONS of them out there, cheap, cheap cheap.  non interference, and plus they have a slight edge in displacement.  Also, simple speed density.

No, not as good, for sure, the 6bolt 4g63 is, imho one of the greatest "real" engines ever created, but the two two turbo Dodge is a great one too.

The rest of the car its in is usually no where near as good however.  80s domestic cheap car.  And no awd.  and 80s domestic suspension and brakes.  booooo.

[Matt Mann]

yes there are TONS of them out there, cheap, cheap cheap.  non interference, and plus they have a slight edge in displacement.  Also, simple speed density.

No, not as good, for sure, the 6bolt 4g63 is, imho one of the greatest "real" engines ever created, but the two two turbo Dodge is a great one too.

The rest of the car its in is usually no where near as good however.  80s domestic cheap car.  And no awd.  and 80s domestic suspension and brakes.  booooo.

I would definitely agree on that decent motor, not so good suspension and brakes

[Richard Steger]

Not sure if it put them in same handling, braking league as DSM's but Shelby put his name on a few Chrysler FWD's in mid to late 80's, like Daytona, Charger, Shadow, Lancer, Omni.  I'm fairly sure his name meant they had upgraded brakes and suspension from plain models. 

[Matt Mann]

Not sure if it put them in same handling, braking league as DSM's but Shelby put his name on a few Chrysler FWD's in mid to late 80's, like Daytona, Charger, Shadow, Lancer, Omni.  I'm fairly sure his name meant they had upgraded brakes and suspension from plain models. 

They did they also had the A-555 trans which is stronger than the non-shelby models

[John Hartman]

yes the Shelby cars were better for sure, but they were still based on either the Omni or the K car line.

[Matt Mann]

I would like to see a race between an Omni GLH and an Talon. I think that would a pretty even match considering the weight of the omni and talon AWD...hmmm

The Omni has a place in heart; it was my first car, I lowered mine, put some cams in it, and the glass pack muffler sooo loud too which was a head turner back in the day.

[John Hartman]

Yes I like those old cars too, I'd love to have a 87 Charger with a  real shelby forged Turbo2 engine and a triple 5 tranny.

But, mod $ for mod $ the DSM will win.  And its not about just drag race.  The awd and much more sophisticated suspension will win in autox(mod for mod $$ again), road course, hill climb and rally.

The dodge will definately win for timing belt change times and ease to do it, and head gasket tho 

[Matt Mann]

True enough John  true enough

I hated to HG on those, the 2.2 were notorious for leaks..one thing I don't miss
I'd like the a non-interference motor though.lol

[John Hartman]

yea there is a guy that I work with who has been doing mechanic work for several years and he says that he can do a 2.2 non turbo car head gasket in around an hour, give or take.  I believe it because my first one that I ever did took me about 3.5 and I also did the timing belt and crank seal, so I had to take that whole area apart too.