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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« on: November 07, 2012, 08:59:09 pm »
I have both an early Venom intake mani and a JMfab drag intake mani .
Just interested to see what people are able to tell me about the two, like any possible experience or just knowledge of the product itself.
The JMfab is definitely more prominent in the DSM community, But Im thinking I may have a hidden gem.
I did a ton of research is appears that an early test proved that the venom intake outflowed everything on the market..

Runners are very similar between the two manifolds.  The Venom could use some slight porting inside to flange to runner connections (which im going to do ) . The runners in both include velocity stacks into the inner plenum flange. But the Jm fab ones stick up a half inch while the Venoms runners are flush to the inside surface. But the overall design difference of the plenum itself is the main difference.  Im almost thinking of taping everything off and filling them with water and testing their overall volume just out of curiousity.   The JMfab has a slightly tapered rectangular plenum that extends about 2inches past the last runner, while the Venom has a rounded plenum with a slanted flat endcap which ends about 1inch after the last runner.  
Interested to see what they are capable of.  At this point Im on the wall completely. I believe the Venom will outflow the JMfab one. But on the flip side, I think the JMfab is constructed better for high boost pressure applications.

What do you guys think?


« Last Edit: November 07, 2012, 09:12:53 pm by Jordan Kruger »
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Offline Robert Vorley

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 09:24:26 pm »
Trade Carl both of them for his Cast Aluminum Magnus Intake mani.   :)

http://magnusmotorsports.com/products/intake-manifolds/v3-cast-aluminum-intake-for-1g-dsm/

Yan had good luck with the JMF holding up to high boost and meth backfiresm, it was rounding, don't know about the venom.



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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 10:17:43 pm »
The JMfab one I have is used, and shows a little bit of rounding on underside. But nothing major by the looks of it. I really like the welds on the JMfab.

Ill leave it to Carl to ring in here if he would like to trade  ;)
« Last Edit: November 07, 2012, 10:22:33 pm by Jordan Kruger »
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Offline kevin derhouson

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 10:47:20 pm »
the jmfab is tested and true.. i'd go with that.. unless carl trades :p
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Offline Robert Vorley

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 06:07:37 pm »
the jmfab is tested and true.. i'd go with that.

Or you could sell Kevin your JMF, then sell the Venom and buy the Magnus!   

+ Kevin needs a baller intake mani for a 6 bolt head to match the rest of his setup.  (You 7 bolt rebel you.)  ;)
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Offline kevin derhouson

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 06:15:08 pm »
kevins bought enough :p
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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 06:21:43 pm »
kevins bought enough :p

Hey its only ONE more part.   :D
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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 08:52:40 pm »
it would be kind of boring to have a car that never breaks   lol.

Im trying to cover the last few serious parts before re-assembly.
I really dont want to turn the key till I feel the car is complete.

Let the wrenching begin!
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Offline Marke Bailey

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 09:01:47 pm »
I think there was testing done that showed the jmf velocity stacks that are raised lost efeciency. the jmf street one that I had, the stacks were flush to the plenum. If it were my choice, go with the venom.
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Offline Robert Vorley

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 09:09:51 pm »
I believe there is an old dusty thread from mike regarding his experience with altering the velocity stack position.

It does seem counter intuitive to lift the bell mouths off the plenum floor or in his case away from the walls. Hmmm

http://www.bcdsm.org/forum/index.php/topic,20921.0.html
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Offline Jordan Kruger

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2012, 10:09:37 pm »
Its actually the JMFab Race manifold.  Not the drag.         Theres street, race, and drag.   
I bet the Venom would make more power lol    Im teetering between the two manifolds.

I really like the Venom.  I feel obligated to add some structural integrity to the manifold, like small angle aluminum channel along the plenum welds  etc..     I dont want to pop the welds at 30+ psi. 

I wonder what pressure people have got away with on a Venom intake.
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Offline Robert Vorley

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 11:06:41 pm »
Jordan, you should do a back-to-back dyno comparison and choose the one that produces the best curve.  :)

If anyone is interested in a short intermediate read on intake manifold design check this link.  It's a real conversation starter for you next dinner party.  :P

http://www.stealth316.com/misc/grapeape-inductionsystems.pdf

For more quantitative data on the subject, check patent formulas.  Expect to be reading for awhile though.  :(



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Offline Carl Gould

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 07:28:56 pm »
No trades, sorry :P  if anyone has spare SMIMs kicking around by the time I've got the Talon down to RG for a dyno day next year I'd be happy to do some back to back comparisons though  ;)
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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2012, 07:37:32 pm »
thats an awsome link robert , Good Read !

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Re: Aftermarket Intake Manifolds.
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2012, 09:58:03 pm »
Both are for sale    ;)
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