British Columbia DSM
GVRD - BC DSM Club => Garage => Topic started by: daniel Dee on September 21, 2009, 07:32:17 pm
-
Finally some tuning......More strange problems surfaced again.....
Cylinder 2 and 3 starting misfiring..........
Every component was tested...and wiring checked....
A damaged coil plug was replaced and the problem disappeared...
Results! a pinging 545 AWHP @ 25 psi.....(I didn't see it so I don't know the torque is, RG will have to post)
Timing was backed out to eliminate pinging and power fell (524hp/416torque)
Then the intercooler moved forward and the IC pipe disconnected.
Couple of more pulls and the oil started leaking out from the timing/pan area...
Also curious is the fact the cooling system isn't building any pressure.. Cooling pressure test revealed nothing....45 lbs boost test revealed nothing. HG stud and nuts seems to back off even after retighting.
Not sure why the pinging....(92 pump w/meth)
The test was halted as more minor repairs is in order...
Will try higher boost with 115 octane fuel. (later this week) ...want to see if the BW turbo really shines at higher boost.
-
No doubt that's fricken rad!
I'd also think the turbo has much more flow left in it.
Good luck driving 545hp around town :D
-
Holy shit!! nice numbers daniel!! SWEET
Thats a shit load of power at only 25psi!
Why did you use 92 octane instead of 94 octane, may I ask? Wouldn't going to a higher octane fuel result in lower knock counts??
Did you find out where exactly the oil was leaking out from??? Hopefully not your new front cover!!!
-
I would STRONGLY suggest, as Brett said, that you use 94 octane. Try a tank full of that before you spring for the race fuel. Great power otherwize :)
I am confused as to the whole bit about moving the intercooler and taking the pipe off?
-
The intercooler"" is not held in place by anything so the intercooler moved away from the radiator under boost and separated.....
I think 94 octane might have made a small difference,,,but RG disagrees....So I used the cheaper gas...
Had no time to trace the oil leak (should be minor fix I hope).
With all these issues of recent I decide not to run the timing cover for now so any issue could be seen.
This cam is quite mild in this motor.....and I heard that bigger cams can often help with denotation issues.
"" ETS intercooler with two upper mounting tabs that don't seem to connect to anything.
-
Hrrmm,, time for some custom brackets for the IC i guess!
Yeah i would for sure try 94 octane next time if u dont use racegas....
I dont really understand why RG would reccomend that 92 octane would work better then 94??? or they just are saying that it wont make a difference between the two??
I know on ANY of my turbo'ed cars i run... (and even on the wifes geo soemtimes) I ALWAYS run 94 octane ALL the time. I wont put anything less into my turbo cars.
-
I'm guessing they felt the Meth would make up for it. But wicked numbers Dan. Just scary haha
-
All fixed up and 666whp :o
-
Insane! :o
-
All fixed up and 666whp :o
wow... whats the dyno record again? 7 something?
Also we want to see that chart!
-
not insane, Wicked!! Or Evil.
Nicely done Dan and Lowell!
-
Dan, your car will now be referred to as The Beast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmcDLDw9iw)
Track that thing, I want to see MPH!
:D
-
Dan is the Man. what were the final parameters of the test? boost? etc.
speaking of the beast... I just downloaded it and watched it. fucking cool movie. (John, you'll love it!)
-
yea I want to see it, but I don't download movies, too much trouble. I will have to find it somewhere or rent it or something.
-
I would STRONGLY suggest, as Brett said, that you use 94 octane. Try a tank full of that before you spring for the race fuel. Great power otherwize :)
tested 94 octane.......= reduced power -15 hp.....I didn't ask if the pinging went away...
-
OMG!!!
WOW OWWOOW WOWZZERS!
-
hrrmmmmmm
maybe its because 92 octane burns faster then 94 octane.
We are talking about this in class today...
-
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i261/wookiek7/dyno/531whp269psi-1.jpg)
531 hp 26.9 psi.....
NOW ADD 2.1 PSI and
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i261/wookiek7/dyno/581whp29psi.jpg)
581whp 29psi
Is that even possible???
-
lower octane fuel has a bit less energy per "bang" as its slower burning, but it controls ping/knock better, so you have to decide if you need the timing or the energy of the burn more.
-
hrrmmmmmm
maybe its because 92 octane burns faster then 94 octane.
We are talking about this in class today...
Brett I would chalk the 15hp difference up to the margin of error of measuring things on a dyno.
On most cars there is a 5-10 hp difference per run. Dans car makes so much power, it makes sense that from one day to another it's 15hp off.
-
lower octane fuel has a bit less energy per "bang" as its slower burning, but it controls ping/knock better, so you have to decide if you need the timing or the energy of the burn more.
I thought higher octane burned slower.
In fact i'm pretty sure on that - it's how it prevents knocking, by having the release of energy occur over a larger timeframe, preventing drastic and sudden increases in cylinder pressures.
-
All fixed up and 666whp :o
I only see a 581hp sheet. post the 666 ;)
-
531 hp 26.9 psi.....
NOW ADD 2.1 PSI and
581whp 29psi
Is that even possible???
wow, super inefficient at anything under 27psi by the sounds of it...if you can call 531awhp inefficient.
-
Higher Octane burns slower.
-
Dan, your car will now be referred to as The Beast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmcDLDw9iw)
Track that thing, I want to see MPH!
:D
No it's nickname is now "The Devil" because it is red and makes 666awhp ;)
I got to drive it at full power after the dyno run while lowell was datalogging. I am speechless!!! I have never felt a car pull like that. ;D
-
Im pretty sure john just made a typo. Im almost 100% on higher octane fuel burning slower.
-
If they let his car pass tech at the tracK!
-
congrats Dan, thats clearly an efficient setup you have ;)
-
666 run...
Actually made 665.9whp, need better exhaust to make more power!!!!!!!!!
-
Dan's car made 653whp on 6 or 7 consecutive pulls. Amazing consistency for a high powered setup.
As for the different pump gas octanes, the power difference had more to do with timing, and 525whp is a safe and slightly detuned power level on 94 octane. Detuned on race fuel, the last two pulls were 649 and 648.
-
impressive!!!
so on a street tune its running around 530 whp.. THATS NUTS
what did the oil leak end up coming from? oil pan gasket?
-
Any idea why there is that peak in power and then sudden drop-off?
-
Also what was the boost at on the 666 pull? 29 or more i assume?
-
39psi peak and down to 37psi....
power band was peaky because boost pattern was peaky......
-
impressive!!!
so on a street tune its running around 530 whp.. THATS NUTS
what did the oil leak end up coming from? oil pan gasket?
Someone that doesn't work @ RG didn't tighten the oil filter... I won't mention any names.
Daily driving, 525whp. Keep in mind that my blue car on about 450whp trapped 133.9mph.
-
impressive!!!
so on a street tune its running around 530 whp.. THATS NUTS
what did the oil leak end up coming from? oil pan gasket?
Someone that doesn't work @ RG didn't tighten the oil filter... I won't mention any names.
Daily driving, 525whp. Keep in mind that my blue car on about 450whp trapped 133.9mph.
That's just sick
-
Someone that doesn't work @ RG didn't tighten the oil filter... I won't mention any names.
Daily driving, 525whp. Keep in mind that my blue car on about 450whp trapped 133.9mph.
[/quote]
Didn't leak for the first bunch of dyno runs.
I have always tighten my filter by hand.....maybe the 5w30 synthetic oil made it loose..
Everything seems to be blowing off the engine these days.
-
My filter did that once, and as a result I had a small engine fire.
Not something I want to do again
-
yes, typo on my part, basic stuff, sorry.
Very nicely done Lowell and Dan!!
And if Lowells blue car trapped mid 130mph, Dans gonna get tossed off the track and for good reason! Not sure when they make you run a 'chute, but that thing might need one.
Or at LEAST hugeass brakes!!
-
hahah I love how the thread is titled 'initial dyno results'...
so...you going back for more power now or what?
;)
My filter came loose once - stupid centre nut thing backed out.
Another time I had the filter o-ring get stuck from the old filter and managed to double it up by mistake. 5 litres of synth was an expensive crankcase flush.
-
Yeah i have had issues with the water/oil cooler style filter housings. The nut backs off.... Never had a problem with the 1990 style external air/oil coolers... same style on my evo fortunalty.
-
hahah I love how the thread is titled 'initial dyno results'...
so...you going back for more power now or what?
;)
One of the coil packs has to be exchange.....The COP might get a second chance to work...
3 inch exhaust probably should go....
A 75mm TB is recommended ....
.
Bigger cams .....currently have 15 in hg at idle..(but I don't want a BC280 like idle.either)
A expansion tank is required for the cooling system.....Oil catch can for the track....
Clutch is still having issues disengaging.
700 HP is within reach maybe early next year...
Have lots of left over parts for the stock Laser RS now..
-
Please tell me you have upgraded brakes?
-
Please tell me you have upgraded brakes?
Nope, stock brakes are on it. As long is it can come to a stop from 150mph after the 1/4mile mark he's ok ;)
-
Please tell me you have upgraded brakes?
Nope, stock brakes are on it. As long is it can come to a stop from 150mph after the 1/4mile mark he's ok ;)
That scares me!
I'd be afraid to wind out 1st gear in the city. Knowing that a stop is coming right after lol
-
Please tell me you have upgraded brakes?
Nope, stock brakes are on it. As long is it can come to a stop from 150mph after the 1/4mile mark he's ok ;)
Factory (93 and up) 2 piston brakes w/ Hawk performance pads.
-
3 inch exhaust probably should go....
A 75mm TB is recommended ....
.
Bigger cams .....currently have 15 in hg at idle..(but I don't want a BC280 like idle.either)
A expansion tank is required for the cooling system.....Oil catch can for the track....
Clutch is still having issues disengaging.
700 HP is within reach maybe early next year...
Have lots of left over parts for the stock Laser RS now..
go to 3.5 or 4" exhaust
get rid of that small throttlebody, the BBK 70mm is nice or to be honest the Infinity QX45 i have (90mm) is nice to drive, once it's setup right
Get some custom cams from Colt Cams. Jeff @ Colt quoted me $350 for another set of the cams that i have, 6 in hg at idle, very aggressive though
-
Here's the Vid: [youtube]gvTJWLVhDos[/youtube]
-
try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvTJWLVhDos
-
you get any pigeons in your velocity stack yet?
-
try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvTJWLVhDos
Hey Dan, what happened to chasing this rabbit?
s366 T3 setup DSM 1g dyno 719whp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ZKVJ3nhmk
;)
[edit: I just checked - that's a FWD pull but I'm unsure on how the two dynos compare. Doesn't matter, close e-effin-nuff!!!!]
-
Daniel. Lowell. Wahoo!!!
-
as much as I hate the cheet intake and fuel
it sounds good dann
-
as much as I hate the cheet intake and fuel
it sounds good dann
Actually the velocity stack didn't make a difference, the pull before it with the filter on was 664
-
Nutso!
YEah that dyno in that other vid.... i would bet if you put daniels car on that same dyno it would put down more... and its AWD too!
-
as much as I hate the cheet intake and fuel
it sounds good dann
Actually the velocity stack didn't make a difference, the pull before it with the filter on was 664
cool :P you guys just tossed it on to see what the change would be eh?
-
Somebody should have held a fan blower at the intake.
-
and opened a nitrous bottle in it ;)
-
as much as I hate the cheet intake and fuel
it sounds good dann
Actually the velocity stack didn't make a difference, the pull before it with the filter on was 664
hey are you croatian?
-
and opened a nitrous bottle in it ;)
Seriously I would like 34 more horsepower (no NOS) for bragging rights.
-
Dan....
You should drive the car first... before going for more power..
-
Yeah but then it would break :P
-
Now its rain, rain, rain, rain and not much tread left..
-
buy rubber run it at mission friday or firday after! get in the top ten for the year!