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Offline John Hartman

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Now 421whp/396tq
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 09:14:01 pm »
amazing that the stock unported O2 can handle even that much.
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Now 421whp/396tq
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2009, 08:20:29 pm »



This is a test of the DNP header vs Kinetic cast manifold.  No real surprise the header outperforms a manifold with the wastegate mounted on a single runner.  Even when the cast manifold catches up in boost pressure, there's still around 15 ft/lbs more torque with the header, and if I had exactly the same boost pressure on both pulls, I think it would make around 425whp. 

 
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Now 421whp/396tq
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2009, 10:52:23 am »
Hey Lowell i sent you PM wondering if you got it?

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Now 421whp/396tq
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2009, 01:39:57 pm »
just a side note on this car, its damn fast.  Once the turbo kicks in, it scoots!!  I never took it over 5500-6000 or went much over about 75-80% throttle as I was just getting a feel for the turbos spool charactaristics, but climbing a hill in second, when the turbo hit, the thing got all squirrelly on clean dry warm pavement, with aftermarket rubber and a passenger.
91 Eagle Talon TSi 5spd awd.  GT-12, TriFlow Cams, 850s, Tial, JIC, Jackal, sticky rubber.
86 Merkur XR4Ti 5spd, rwd, turbo, 91,381km.  Original paint, heated leather. intercooled, big VAM, Full 3" exhaust, Cossie sway bar, 16" tires.
06 Mazdaspeed6 6spd awd, DISI turbo, heated leather HIDs, Corksport, Cobb, Konig, Centric...
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Offline Lowell Foo

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2009, 11:15:55 pm »
I finally ditched the stock O2 housing this morning and was rewarded with an extra 18whp from a 2.5" SS unit.  Optimizing the air intake to the turbo inlet made a final pull of 449whp and 404 ft/lbs.  I'll post up the comparison graph tomorrow.
92 Laser AWD, 50 trim, 494whp
92 Talon AWD, 50 trim, 11.55 @ 127mph w/ 399whp.
90 Talon AWD, 11.40 @ 123 ~ 10 years ago.  Currently in storage.

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2009, 08:13:52 am »
a bit faster than the 16g car now eh?
91 Eagle Talon TSi 5spd awd.  GT-12, TriFlow Cams, 850s, Tial, JIC, Jackal, sticky rubber.
86 Merkur XR4Ti 5spd, rwd, turbo, 91,381km.  Original paint, heated leather. intercooled, big VAM, Full 3" exhaust, Cossie sway bar, 16" tires.
06 Mazdaspeed6 6spd awd, DISI turbo, heated leather HIDs, Corksport, Cobb, Konig, Centric...
2018 VW Golf Alltrack turbo Tornado Red, 6mt, some free mods

Offline Kristopher

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2009, 07:13:04 pm »
I finally ditched the stock O2 housing this morning and was rewarded with an extra 18whp from a 2.5" SS unit.  Optimizing the air intake to the turbo inlet made a final pull of 449whp and 404 ft/lbs.  I'll post up the comparison graph tomorrow.


No fair !
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2009, 07:18:23 pm »
yea each dudes work has its perks.  Kris gets to eat free pies, I get to do regular stuff and change tires, Lowell gets to use an awd dyno.
91 Eagle Talon TSi 5spd awd.  GT-12, TriFlow Cams, 850s, Tial, JIC, Jackal, sticky rubber.
86 Merkur XR4Ti 5spd, rwd, turbo, 91,381km.  Original paint, heated leather. intercooled, big VAM, Full 3" exhaust, Cossie sway bar, 16" tires.
06 Mazdaspeed6 6spd awd, DISI turbo, heated leather HIDs, Corksport, Cobb, Konig, Centric...
2018 VW Golf Alltrack turbo Tornado Red, 6mt, some free mods

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2009, 07:37:01 pm »
Yes, Lowell is a DSM Pimp making them do all sorts of tricks then bragging about it.
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2009, 09:04:27 pm »


Old vs. new.  Quicker spool, more torque, more peak power, and a lot more power at 6500+. 

$629usd will buy a DSM bolt on 50 trim.   
http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/products/KINETIC_DSM_50T_TURBO_EXT_WG-870-235.html
 
92 Laser AWD, 50 trim, 494whp
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2009, 10:16:51 am »
So you would recommend this 50 trim turbo instead of the evo 3 16G unit? The 50 trim doesn't spool till over 4000 RPM it looks like.  The evo 16g's spool much earlier dont they?  Im looking for a upgraded turbo thats a DSM bolt on but im i dont want to sacrafice too much lag as it would end up hurting in a tight autocross course.
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol = 411whp. Update: 449whp, 404tq.
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2009, 10:43:58 am »
So you would recommend this 50 trim turbo instead of the evo 3 16G unit? The 50 trim doesn't spool till over 4000 RPM it looks like.  The evo 16g's spool much earlier dont they?  Im looking for a upgraded turbo thats a DSM bolt on but im i dont want to sacrafice too much lag as it would end up hurting in a tight autocross course.

You will probably be faster on an autocross course with the Evo 16g.  If that is not enough power for you, the next turbo I would consider is the FP 18G. 

http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSM18G6SL2&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

How about a 2.4L with an FP3052 :)
92 Laser AWD, 50 trim, 494whp
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol. Updated again... 474whp, 417wtq.
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2009, 06:27:57 pm »

« Last Edit: March 23, 2009, 06:30:55 pm by Lowell Foo »
92 Laser AWD, 50 trim, 494whp
92 Talon AWD, 50 trim, 11.55 @ 127mph w/ 399whp.
90 Talon AWD, 11.40 @ 123 ~ 10 years ago.  Currently in storage.

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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol. Updated again... 474whp, 417wtq.
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2009, 07:11:35 pm »
50 trim damn near reversing the |Earths rotation.
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Re: Laser with 50 trim, methanol. Updated again... 474whp, 417wtq.
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2009, 08:02:38 pm »
474whp, 417wtq. good god.
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