British Columbia DSM
GVRD - BC DSM Club => Garage => Topic started by: Jordan Kruger on September 03, 2011, 11:22:04 am
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I have had great success with Surrey fluid and power.
They were one of the first and still one of the only SMC suppliers around. They are located on 130 and 84th in Surrey.
-I bought my Solenoid there for $50
-I bought 2 check valves yesterday at $14 each ($33 total) 7psi cracking pressure.
-They have every push fitting connector.
-They have line
-Im sure they carry shur-flo pumps too.
- Im working on getting an inline filter thru them which is compatible with pure meth. all in all Ive been very happy with the service and their pricing. Reason for this post is I believe that there are other members interested in putting together a meth kit for cheap and this place has been a Gem for me!
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very cool!! Local is nice.
The SMC soleniod is cheap!
See if they can find 15psi crack pressure check valves tho.
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i know! i only managed to get the 7psi crack pressure. Im going to try this week. Do you think the 7psi will be an issue tho? my 4" intake will never see a strong vacuum... The charge piping only sees a small spike of vacuum when the throttle plate is JUST opened, then the turbo produces a positive pressure.. is this in any way a concern? or do you recommend the 15 just so the line pressure will not leak down to 7psi. As far as I can see the checks are working perfect. Neither leak after the meth has been triggered. Im still going to try to get a higher crack pressure , but just out of curiosity...
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no I am sure its just fine. Aquamist(who used to make water injection systems for F1 cars, and WRC cars) makes 15psi valves is all.
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Oh I see.
A link to the Surrey Fluid and Power Automation website.
http://www.sfpa.bc.ca/
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Damn you! I just wasted my day here at work browsing SMC's catalog of connectors and tubing. ;)
Thanks for the info!
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lol I was hoping the info would come in handy. :D
After dealing with them a couple times, I wouldnt go anywhere else.
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so if I went to roll my own (using bug juice), I would need:
container (I would use rear window washer tank)
pump
hose
check valve
nozzle
solenoid
Am I missing anything? How do I trigger the spray?
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either super ghetto with a home made throttle triggered switch, with a boost pressure activated switch or something more exotic.
I would also put in a filter pre pump. And I would run a relay to the pump, a fuse to the pump and solenoid and a switch for the pump, just in case you need to kill it for whatever reason.
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What pressure do you trigger your meth john? Ive got mine set for 10psi.
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yea that seems to go well :)
I will fill it with water and set the trigger to about 2-3 psi then drive up long hills to steam clean it out good yo!
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With the my rough "get me to RG" tune the pickup between 10 and 22psi is a lot faster compared to the non-water meth setup ( and i only have water in the system right now ) I wont be loading meth into the system till a couple days before dyno tuning. The checks appear to be doing their job just fine.
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I like this post, good info. Stickied!
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To follow up.. The check valves offered from Surrey Fluid/Power arent ideal. Turns out the ones I got have a cracking pressure of 0.7psi and not 7.0psi
The only other check valve they carried which was even close to our methanol pressure ratings was the rated for about 2 psi. (no good)
I suggest that you buy a check valve off Ebay. Im going this route. But for everything else, Surrey Fluid and Powers got it!
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the actual Aquamist ones, made in stainless, very small, simple installation, tried and true, well engineered are only like $25
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yea, I have looked at those ones. Looks like the cheapest ones are offered by AEM. They are black plastic, and only cost around 18bux.
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Update :
When I last spoke to " Tim " at Surrey Fluid Power, He told me that they have the ability to make any check valve. With the pressures that were interested in (10-20psi cracking pressure) the check valve would cost roughly 60 bux. This is pricey, but the fact that you have the ability to fully customize the cracking pressure, it may prove beneficial to go this method with certain meth setups. (long lines etc)
Next time I go back, Ill be looking into methanol compatible filters from either SMC or another make. Ill post the details and pricing if I get one.
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hrmmm..
I have found that the AEM kits are decently priced (sort of) and Have EVERYTHING you need besides maybe a extra nozzle body. Also they feature a progressive controller with its own MAP sensor and LED warning lights etc etc
haha funny story... my aem meth kit warning lights was the first thing to let me know that the alternator was crapped out and making 16+ volts!!!
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Lol probably lit up the whole cockpit with 16v's running throught it :D
As far as check valves go, I managed to get 2 AEM 15psi checks at 17bux each from ebay. Shipping costed a whopping 30bux. So I requested they get sent UPS. Still took weeks to get.
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and then paid 120 bucks on ups brokerage rates :p
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nope nuthin brohan! lol Ebay and UPS are only good for certain items tho, thats for sure.
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I was thinking of going with these....?
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/aquamist-15psi-check-valve-hosetail-universal-p-22643.html
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I would stick to push lock fitting style connectors. That check uses hosetail barbs. Ide recommend the ones I got (aem plastic pushlock) Or the stainless ones (pushlock aswell)
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Jo those are what I use. Works great. No issues whatsoever with the hose tail stuff. All the other aquamist nozzles etc are hosetail and I have never had an issue at all. Can't say the same for push locks. mostly good, but I have seen a few issues with leakage.
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Jo those are what I use. Works great. No issues whatsoever with the hose tail stuff. All the other aquamist nozzles etc are hosetail and I have never had an issue at all. Can't say the same for push locks. mostly good, but I have seen a few issues with leakage.
i check my hosetails very regularly and they are snug as a bug.
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I have had most of mine on for many years now and never check them and they are just as snug.
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meth paranoia
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lol! it happens after youve been on it a while. atleast we dont pick at our face :D
Ive never seen any other method of running meth lines, other than the nylon tubing and push lock fittings. What kind of tubing do u peeps use with barb fittings? Ive only ever had a swivel 90 push fitting leak before. The straight fittings have always sealed awsome for me.
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On the subject of leaks, check the fittings in the meth pump.(in/out)
I had a loose one for awhile before it was discovered. Speaking of paranoia, I was going through so much meth I started to wonder if someone was taking it for joyrides without my knowledge. :D
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artists rendition of rob driving his talon
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LOL!
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artists rendition of rob driving his talon
Picture looks just like me, only he's NOT quite as muscular! :D and thats no bull! ;)
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hahahaha!!
Rob, on the subject of missing methanol; you will find that it evaporates. either get a sealed system(hard with evaporation and pressures etc, or cut it with water.
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Thanks John. Normally I use it up before it evaporates. :) I usually fill it up about once a week depending on boost.
Meth leak story #2:
Another time I got my car back from a shop without the line pressed into the nozzle properly. So the Meth was spraying directly into the engine bay! :o I was lucky that I wasn't using 100% mix at the time or poof! Needless to say I promptly bought a fire extinguisher. Something I would recommend for everyone, especially meth owners.
p.s. If you are using a solution of less than 60% meth then it shouldn't ignite under normal circumstances.
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what size tank are you using rob?
stock windshield?
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The one gallon size.
easy to fit and saves weight. :)
What size are you using?
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two gallon trunk mount
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Just got my hands on a 5gallon trunk mount ;D
Regarding this threads topic:
Ide like to add that RTM racing now carries a wide variety of water/methanol fittings.
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I want to assemble a kit for a Non turbo car...What do I use to control/trigger the pump??.
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I want to assemble a kit for a Non turbo car...What do I use to control/trigger the pump??.
http://tinyurl.com/83d7lxq (http://tinyurl.com/83d7lxq)
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Want to upgrade/update my meth system
I need a solenoid and a recirculating pump..
I am thinking DVLO-2205fit (devil's own injection solenoid) RTM price $60cdn includes fittings.
I not not clear which pumps are recirculating??
Can you update older style pumps??
Devil's own seems to sell recirculating pump parts.
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Dan, that link I put up in the other methanol thread has lots of good parts for good prices.
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not sure which link ...What recirculating pump should I buy and where?
As well as high pressure meth solenoid.
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http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/
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https://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/home.php?cat=2255
Ide deal with rtm for the pump. God forbid you have a pump problem, but if you do, you know they will help for sure.
Alot of these pumps are strictly peel and stick labelled shurflow and aquatec pumps.
You might be able to get one cheaper if you call Surrey Fluid and Power, or any other pneumatics suppliers.
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Ziggy Dietrich
Apr 13 (2 days ago)
to me
Not sure what you mean by “recirculating”. We carry the “Devils Own” brand, you can check their website for further descriptions.
Shipping is NOT included in the pricing, but would be calculated at checkout..
Ziggy
Not a helpful reply!!
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Can a progressive controller be used with a recirculation pump???
What's better progressive control or on/off solenoid control...
I already am using a 4 port system with progressive controller so would an recirculation pump
with solenoid control an improvement on my system.
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pretty sure your current setup is "better" but sometimes simplicity is the king. Its up to you.
A progressive setup with multiple nozzles like you have will allow more control and more precision. Probably make more safe power.
But like I said, a simple on-off solenoid is, well, very simple with less parts to fail/fritz out
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I will upgrade the pump because it is 200psi plus..
The progressive controller has reliable for 4 yrs now...
Does the controller restrict voltage slowing down the pump??
Because my turbo boost is basically on/off ...the solenoid trigger is attractive...only if the pump comes on just before.
I don't want to get into multi solenoids (or solenoid for every nozzle) One solenoid for pre turbo and 1 or 2 IC nozzles.
I guess only a brand name will do for the meth solenoid.
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I picked up my Solenoid from Surrey Fluid and power. Like I said in the beginning of this thread, you can find most good methanol compatible things there. They have threaded connectors, accumulators, and solenoids. I havent bought anything else from them, But you probably could get the line there too. I do know they wont have nozzles. But a good alternative to spending a lot on nozzles is to check out Mcmaster-Carr nozzles. They work like a charm. Just be sure to include a good check valve close to the nozzle.
Surrey fluid power
-fittings (most pushlock fittings available. 90s, threaded, couplers etc)
-line (probably have that too, seeing as they are everything power pneumatics)
-Accumulator (for if you dont use a recirculating pump)
For nozzles check out Mcmaster-Carr nozzles. (Cheaper than most, but work great)
You may be able to get nozzle holders through Surrey fluid power, but you wont be reffering to them as nozzle holders. They will need the concept behind the fitting, and thread sizes etc. If not, go through RTM racing, they seem to have more methanol components than ever.
As for check valves, go with tried tested true Brand name check valves. They should have ~10-15psi cracking pressure and be methanol compatible. RTM racing can get these for you.
$$$$ Run some wire, set up a relay, mount the solenoid, mount reservoir, put in a pump, run some line.... And you are set. Trigger it, and make MOAR POWA!$$$$
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Just an update.
SMC 12v normally closed 1/4" 2 port alcohol compatible solenoid has gone down in price!
Surrey fluid power now can get them for $29!
building a meth kit just got even cheaper!
These solenoids are tough and the price cannot be beat.
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Aquamist nozzles and check valves are about the same price or cheaper, and they are very well made and quite small. I have seen some of the other nozzles and they are huge and clunky looking. Plus they need huge holes in your piping.
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Got some outside mount nozzles off RTM racing for $32 each. Seems pricey, but compared to others, its actually a great deal
you can save # by running inside mount nozzles, but I dont like the idea of screwing a nozzle in from the inside of piping, and it also makes connecting to a fitting kind of difficult. So its worth it to buy outside mount nozzles
Also picked up nozzle holders for $19 from RTM racing.
My system will be :
5 gallon AEM tank - 200psi recirc pump - SMC accumulator - a tee for pressure sensor ( will auto retard timing if pressure drops ) - an inline methanol filter - a Y then feeds 2 seperate solenoids - check valves - nozzles ( throttle body and pre turbo )
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yea aint no way I am going to screw something in from the inside that may fall off. Eff that. the little Aquamist nozzles are threaded 6x.75 and nothing can fall into the pipe.
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Picked up two SMC solenoids for methanol injection today from Automation West Technologies ( formerly known as Surrey Fluid Power )
The Solenoids have gone down in price big time!
They used to be $54-$57 dollars
Now they are $29!
All the more reason to build your own meth kit!
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